Sunday, March 15, 2009

DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Remanufacturers


Notice: Thanks to the hundreds of people who have responded to this posting, and the thousands of gun owners who e-mailed DOD and their representatives in Congress...

This situation has been resolved.

DOD rescinded the order after a firestorm of criticism--which began almost immediately when they issued a directive to mutilate all expended military brass before it could be sold to the civilian reloading market.

For a complete explanation of this decision by DOD, go to the main address for this blog ( and scroll down to the next posting after this one: "Plowshares Beaten Back Into Bullets."

Thank you for your concern and participation.

You proved we can all make a difference in defending our rights to own and use firearms.

(The following is the original posting which was instrumental--along with other bloggers, and national firearms organizations--in alerting the nation's gun owners of what was seen by many as a back-door attempt to cripple the ammunition supply and its availability to shooters...)

We all wondered when it was going to start--when the new administration would make their move against us as gun owners.

Oh, everyone got upset about HR45--I'll bet I got over 100 e-mails warning me about this draconian gun registration bill that had been introduced in Congress.

I was really glad to see Tom Gresham, host of "Gun Talk Radio," an editor, writer, television host on "Self-Defense TV," and one of the foremost gun spokespersons, come out and tell everyone to stop worrying about legislation so absolutely over-the-top--it would never get out of committee.

Tom said save your energy for when we really need it--don't expend it trying to warn everyone in your e-mail list about legislation that would go nowhere.

Now, Tom just interviewed me, and Larry Haynie, owner of Georgia Arms (, on Gun Talk ( Tom agrees, now is the time to "...unleash the hounds..." by which he means start e-mailing and writing your senators and congressmen.

Now it has come we know what they intend to do.

It is an end-run around Congress. They don't need to try to ban guns--they don't need to fight a massive battle to attempt gun registration, or limit "assault" weapon sales.

Nope. All they have to do is limit the amount of ammunition available to the civilian market, and when bullets dry up, guns will be useless.

Think we jest?

Here are copies of two letters sent to Georgia Arms just Thursday evening--effectively cancelling a contract he had to purchase 30,000 pounds of expended military brass in .223, 7.62mm, and .50 caliber:

Dear Valued Customer:

Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency:

Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case.

Thank you,

DOD Surplus
15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300
Scottsdale, AZ 85254

March 12, 2009

Larry Haynie
Georgia Arms
PO Box 238
Villa Rica, GA 30180

Re: Event 7084-6200:

Dear Larry Haynie,

Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government.

If you do not agree with the new conditions of your spot sale, please sign the appropriate box provided below stating that you do not agree to the new terms and would like to cancel your purchase effective immediately. If you do agree to the new terms please sign in the appropriate box provided below to acknowledge your understanding and agreement with the new requirements relating to your purchase. Fax the signed document back to (480) 367-1450, emailed responses are not acceptable.

Please respond to this request no later than close of business Monday, March 16th, 2009.


Government Liquidation.

Got that? From now on, remanufacturers of military brass will not be able to buy surplus brass from DOD--actually from Government Liquidators, llc.--the corporation that sells surplus materials for the U.S. government. At least, not in any form recognizable as once-fired brass ammunition.

Now all brass ammunition will have to be shredded, and sold as scrap.

Georgia Arms, who brought this to our attention, is the 5th largest ammunition manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition in the U.S.

"We're right up there behind Hornady," Larry Haynie told me.

He also told me with the cancellation of his contract to purchase this brass, and the ending of his ability to purchase any more expended military ammunition, he will have to severely curtail his operation--laying off approximately half his 60-person work force.

Haynie further pointed out this move is a stupendous waste of taxpayer money--reducing the worth of the brass some 80%--from casings, to shredded bulk brass.

He stated most of this will now go to foundries where it will be melted down, cast in shippable forms, and likely be sold to China, one of the largest purchasers of U.S. metals on the open market.

Haynie was manufacturing over 1 million rounds of .223 ammunition every month, which he sold on the civilian market to resellers, and to law enforcement agencies across the country.

He will start tomorrow sending cancellations of orders for .223 to law enforcement agencies all over the country.

You can expect this to affect every bullet you purchase in the future--with no reloaded ammunition available, the already strained new manufacturers will be unable to meet demand. They are already turning out everything they can build for the military market. The civilian market is stressed to the point even reloading components have become hard to find.

Now, with this hit, ammunition prices will go through the roof in the next year.

Your quality piece, sitting in your gun rack, will become a very expensive wood and steel, or plastic and steel club.

What can you do?

Google "contact members of Congress" or simply type in
When you reach that site, type in your zip code--it will give you all your representatives, senators, and their web pages.

Or you can find the addresses and e-mails of your own senators and congressmen by going to and Both pages have locator aids at the top of the page.

Here is a letter I just sent to Representative Bill Cassidy, Congressman from the 6th District of Louisiana, and Senator David Vitter of Louisiana. I will be sending it to every member of our congressional delegation. Feel free to copy it and paste in your own e-mail, sending it to your legislators.

We have to stop this now!

The Honorable Bill Cassidy
Member of Congress from Louisiana

Dear Congressman Cassidy:

It has come to my attention that the Department of Defense has issued a directive that all expended military brass (fired cases) will now be shredded and sold for scrap material, rather than resold by Government Liquidators LLC to the civilian market for remanufacture.

You may not be aware of it, but there is a severe shortage of ammunition available for sale to the public across the country, causing problems for shooters, hunters, and reloaders everywhere.

Now, apparently the Obama administration, realizing they cannot move against private firearms ownership since the landmark decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in the Washington D.C./Heller case, has made their move in another way.

By cutting off the resale of expended military ammunition to remanufacturers, they have put a stranglehold on the nation's ammunition supply.

Further, they have reduced the return to the government on expended brass by 80%. What was sold for remanufacturer at a fair return to the government, will now cost the taxpayers untold sums of money as the cost of scrap brass is far below the price per pound for expended military ammunition.

In addition, the use of remanufactured ammunition is a huge asset to law enforcement agencies across the country who buy millions of rounds of reloaded ammunition a year from these manufacturers for practice rounds.

With this market gone, law enforcement will no longer be able to purchase inexpensive reloaded ammunition, and with the continuing combat status of military forces across the Middle East, original manufacturers of new ammunition are turning out everything they can make to the government, thus exacerbating the shortage of new ammunition in both the civilian and law enforcement market.

Lastly, in these harsh economic times, does it not strike you as cold and calculating that the Obama administration has no compunction against ruining an industry that employs thousands of American citizens in the remanufacturing of sporting and military ammunition. One major resupplier, Georgia Arms, the fifth largest manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition has informed me he will have to quickly lay off half his 60-person workforce, as he has had to cancel contracts with dozens of police agencies who had contracted with him to supply them with remanufactured .223 ammunition.

Georgia Arms has been practically put out of business by this directive that all expended military brass must be shredded. His current contracts have been canceled, and he is notifying his customers across the country he can no longer supply their ammunition needs.

Please look into this immediately. This move by the Obama administration is nothing but a back-door strike against firearms ownership in this country--if shooters can't buy ammunition, the guns are little better than steel clubs--and this is obviously the intent.

Thank you for your time and efforts in this serious attack against the Second Amendment rights of the American citizenry.


Gordon Hutchinson

Author "The Great New Orleans Gun Grab"

Firearms Columnist for Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Mississippi Sportsman magazines.


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Heli gunner Tom said...

Great post! Thank you for your brave, honest Constitutional attitude and actions to remain free.
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David said...

I agree that we need to rid ourselves of ALL politicians and get rid of ALL lobbyists, special interests folks or whatever they call themselves.

David said...

Rid ourselves of All career politicians and the likes. I left out the word, career, in my last blog. Next time, I will preview first.

Anonymous said...

LIE LIE LIE LIE! Check SNOPES.COM for info showing it to be false.

Anonymous said...

why don't we as citizens just put a bill out there that says are government has to provide any legal person of age a 1000 rounds of 223 and 500 rounds of 45 or 9mm each year for practice,home defense and protection of this usa.that said i put out a challenge to you boys out there to start this idea. there are some stupid laws on the books for things that don't matter at all, so lets start some to help us out.

Matthew said...

build gallows and guilotines.

Anonymous said...

The President of the United States is a Marxist. His Admin. is no different. Only a fool would trust them. It is obvious that he wants to bring this country to its knees. You can count on a gun grab, sooner than later. Be willing to die fighting or shut the hell up. Don. California

Anonymous said...

I just found this on the Government liquidation site. I see that there is this
34, 530 lbs(approx) Fired brass casings to include 5. 56mm, 7. 62mm, and 9mm sizes. Mutilation not required. Some ferrous materials present in lot including ammo cans and clips. Dunnage included in the weight of this sale. Hoppers are not included in the weight of this sale. Preview available by appointment only with a 48 hour notice required. Please call ahead to schedule an appointment.

Which sounds like stock and standard loads it say mutilation not required so whats the real story???
Also the auction says these dates
Auction Type: Internet Auction
Open Time: 06/04/2010 12:00AM Eastern Time
Close Time: 06/08/2010 05:00PM
Award Time: 06/09/2010 12:00AM Eastern Time
Time Left: 30 days 5 hours and 23 minutes
Current Bid: $0.00

Site URL is

So i would like to know the real reason?

Thanks in advance

Ann said...

What is the current status here, I've heard Obama recinded the order to stop the DOD from selling the brass to China.

Anonymous said...

What's the status? This whole thing lasted just a week, yet here we are 1 1/2 years later, and I just got the email saying that this happened, as if it was yesterday. I think that leaving the original post saying it was Obama's doing is irresponsible. You managed to say that it had been resolved, yet you didn't bother to say that this was a result of an order from the Bush administration. I know that it's popular to blast Obama on all things anti-gun, but maybe you should be responsible and place the blame where it belongs. And if certain elements of the country weren't so hell-bent on bad mouthing the President and his fellow Dems, maybe one of them would actually THINK for themselves, and try to get to the bottom of this. So, for the minority that actually want to hear the truth, here's a link to the real story.

And if you don't want to take the time to go to that link, here's a small excerpt from it:
"What emerges from the DLA’s letters and the accounts of the NRA’s lobbyist and the Newsmax reporter is that the policy had originated with an order the previous year (during the Bush administration) from the Office of the Secretary of Defense. . ."

Can we please now let this story die, and if not, can you least admit that it was because of a Republican, and that the Democrats fixed it in just a week? Is that too much to ask? Just check these things out before spreading more lies and hatred.

Thank you for thinking before forwarding.


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Anonymous said...

The only rounds that have to be shredded are the rounds with a NATO stamp on the back. According to the NATO treaty all spent NATO rounds have to be either mutilated or reloaded in a NATO approved facility with a NATO approved inspector present. Scrap is sold to the highest bidder; you, me, mexico, china or brazil it doesn't matter. The military is selling reloadable casings every day, here is a link to an auction.

Anonymous said...

this doesn't surprise me in the least as i have suspected for a long time that Washington was full of nitwits of which the biggest is in the White House. it makes a lot of sense to shred the brass and sell it to China for pennies on the dollar rather than allow an American to purchase it and possibly hire some more people to help him. this is job creation of which the dummie in the White house knows nothing about.Oh yes, because i am not in agreement with Obama in trying to make this a socialist country i am marked as a racist.Ok!

Anonymous said...

Contrived or confused, the DOD ‘directive’ is ill-advised. My advice, however, is to avoid politicizing your responses. Focus on the economic considerations, which are many. Not only is the DOD making an internally poor economic decision, the effect on states, municipalities (State and Local Police Departments), not to mention residual job losses, is reason enough to reverse the DOD policy. But making conspiratorial claims, accurate as they may be, will not serve the task at hand, specifically to reverse the policy. Instead, the hyperbole will only strengthen the case of those who really do harbor intentions of limiting our freedom to arm ourselves.

Anonymous said...

Americans have got what they voted
for so don't complain.

Anonymous said...

FYI... This did not happen and it was not a law written by the Obama administration, it was actually written by the Bush administration and when the Obama administration got wind of it it was stopped within 5 days after being processed... Do your research and learn the facts before getting upset....

GORDON said...

Yet another comment by an anonymous poster afraid to leave even their internet handle and a way to reply to them. Anonymous--do your own research instead of relying on SNOPES--a not very reliable source themselves.
The directive was designed and issued during the Bush administration. It was implemented in the Obama administration, and hundreds of thousands of emails and outraged phone calls, and strong letters by both senators from Wyoming turned this implementation order upside down immediately. Peddle the liberal support of the most anti-gun administration in the history of this country (well, let's not forget Bill Clinton--maybe he outranks them) elsewhere--pseudo-intellectualism is all you offer--and pseudo facts to go along with it.

GORDON said...

Sorry...I meant to say FactChecker. I went to check FactChecker on Snopes, having recognized the style of the writing. The comments on FactChecker are almost exactly quoted from Snopes--which often parrots the liberal line on political issues. The "facts" have been offered in several places, always in a similar tone of writing. Somebody is copying someone's "research."
Whoever claims the win here, a lot of individuals and organizations with agendas want to make light of this and claim responsibility for bringing it to a favorable end for the shooting fraternity.
The one fact remains that gunowners raised themselves loudly and powerfully putting the current administration and its minions on notice.
Don't Tread On Us.
We're not upset. Not now.
Perhaps they will think twice before they move again against us.

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Anonymous said...

Gun Packing Granny in Nevada.

I think this is an outrage and I am sending this to everyone I know in hopes that they will all resopond. I wonder when they will re-right the consitutation to exclude our right to bear arms--but I guess if you can't load your guns it won't matter if you bear them or not.

Anonymous said...

Anyone with a 7th grade education can easily tell the two alleged letters from the DOD are 100% FAKE.It took me 5 minutes of research to verify that both letters are indeed pure fiction.You right-wing fanatical idiots are doing so more harm to this country than your lies would suggest.95% of this country can see you for what you are.LIARS!!!!!!!!!!

GORDON said...

To Anonymous from January 15...

I always find it interesting the folks with the most criticism, incendiary statements, and ignorant comments post anonymously. Are you afraid of someone questioning your own credentials? First off, why are you bothering commenting on an issue resolved two years ago? You call names, and claim five minutes of unsubstantiated research proved both letters from DOD were fake. It would be interesting to hear just WHAT research proves a letter sent to a legitimate business, to members of Congress, and reprinted and repeated around the world was a fake. Perhaps your blind hatred has led you to assume the people you attack are as ignorant and willing to believe unsubstantiated comments as you. Be careful what kettle you paint black, Mr. Pot.

dan buss said...

you the USA goverment are out of your minds.that metal is going to end up being fired right back at you.that metal is something that you do not have to mine.if you want it destroyed thats fine but keep the metal in the USA. as there is only so much metal out there to mine.what are you thinking.OMG
regards dan buss

Anonymous said...

your frigen nut washington just nuts

Dave "Rock" Cowles said...

Anonymous said...

This Is BS the goverment can sell it to china but we americans can not buy it.. BS again the President needs to step down and give up. He needs to move to London and live the rest of his life there. Leave Our Munition and guns alone. I did not vote him in and i sure will not vote for him next term and do not know of any that will. Im gonna start Digging holes for my guns now before it's too late

Anonymous said...

I worked in a brass factory/mill/foundry an we melted whole used shell casings here in the States. From handgun to huge guns that fire a brass cased cartridge. First off why sell anything of value to China if it can be used here in the States. We need a bill that all government officials need to serve in our military before they can hold an office ,president included. That would eliminate a bunch of this NONRESPECTFUL USA BS !! The American people should come first no matter what.

jammer said...

Does it bother anyone that this Military Brass junk is a lie? An old lie at that from march of 2009.

Please check out THE NRA'S website link for the truth.

ergobaby said...

Who funds their budgets? That is, focus the outrage into a call for Obama's impeachment. Surely there is more than ample documented proof that Obama is anti-2nd Amendment.

Anonymous said...

to whom this concerns and if you take it all the way back to is so called over our nation our 1 nation under god . Now lets get to the point this is all bullshit and needs to come to a stop . Lets ask Mr President this question who in the Hell are you for the U S OR THE OTHER COUNTRIES WELL IT IS PLAIN TO SEE ,SENDING EVERYTHING OVER TO CHINA , THAT IS SELF EXPLANATORY IN MY BOOK. If we don't stand up for whats rite then he is gonna keep doing the wrong Lets have another ELECTION AND BOOT HIS ASS TO CHINA OLE DOWLER

Anonymous said...

You really think taking guns and ammo away from law abiding citizens will curtail violence? You are an idiot ! The crooks, thieves and thugs already have plenty of guns and ammo for a lifetime. You know, Hitler also said in 1935 "This year will go down in history. For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead into the future !" Stew on that for a while...............

Anonymous said...

So, if the ban on the sale of used brass was rescinded back in 2009/2010, why are SO MANY store shelves still empty, bullets on backorder - in OCTOBER 2013?!?

Anonymous said...

Please do your research, check every fact on the internet at least twice.

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