Tuesday, December 9, 2008

COURT DECISION ON NEW ORLEANS CONFISCATIONS ANGERS GUN CULTURE

In October of 2008 the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana found for the Second Amendment Foundation and the National Rifle Association in their long-standing suit against the city of New Orleans.


This suit, filed first in February of 2006, demanded the city begin proceedings to return the over 800 guns stored in an NOPD evidence trailer. These guns had been illegally confiscated by law enforcement from the law abiding citizenry of New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.


In April of 2007, I put together a team of experts and accompanied Dan Holliday to New Orleans to begin a long-awaited gun inventory. Dan is the attorney from Baton Rouge representing the SAF/NRA.

We had finally gained access to the guns being held by the NOPD, and we started a lengthy inventory of these wretched, filthy, rusted guns.

Still another 19 months would pass before the courts finally had enough, and ordered New Orleans to begin proceedings to return as many guns as possible. The court further ordered a permanent injunction against the city to never again illegally seize firearms from citizens without just cause.

There was much grumbling and protestations on the gun blogs, sites, and in magazines about the shame of allowing those who had basically committed armed robbery by cop to escape all consequences. Basically, the complaints went, New Orleans got off with a slap on the wrist, and the only good coming out of this was at least some of the guns would be given back.

Having lived with this case for three years and having been intimately enough involved to have written a book about it, I think the record now needs to be set straight.

The NRA and SAF got exactly what they were looking for the entire time.

Before Hurricane Katrina, it was a well-known practice of NOPD to seize guns from citizens during traffic stops, telling them they could get their guns back when they showed up at the precinct with a receipt proving ownership. For more details on this practice, go to my column here:

http://www.louisianasportsman.com/details.php?id=1226

As we detailed in the book, these practices were one of the things that led to the wholesale confiscation of guns by every stripe of law enforcement in the madness after Katrina.

The Second Battle of New Orleans was the court battle between the gun organizations and the city over the guns held by the city. The NRA/SAF wanted the order of a permanent injunction against the city which prohibits them from ever again taking a gun from a citizen illegally.

The following quote was taken from the NRA Institute for Legislative Action website for October 8, 2008:


Under the terms of the injunction, Mayor Ray Nagin, Police Chief Warren Riley and any agents or employees of the City of New Orleans shall:

• cease and desist confiscating lawfully-possessed firearms from all citizens;
• make an aggressive attempt to return any and all firearms which may have been confiscated during the period August 29 to December 31, 2005;
• within one month of the settlement, post on the City website the procedure for the return of confiscated firearms. This notice must include an interactive form for those claiming firearms to fill out, resulting in timely transmission of the information to the appropriate official. All other information on claiming a firearm will also be included on the site.
• within one month of the settlement, the City must mail notices to all individuals who are identified on the property tags of firearms in the City's possession which were confiscated during the aftermath of Katrina.
“On behalf of the lawful gun owners of New Orleans, NRA is pleased with this outcome,” said Chris W. Cox, NRA’s chief lobbyist. “We thank Judge Barbier for his leadership and constitutional scholarship in presiding over our lawsuit. NRA will continue to aid however we can in the full return of all the firearms confiscated by the City.”

What should be pointed out here, in spite of the constant harping by the media about the guns, it was never really about the guns in storage!

Law enforcement officials seized what is now believed to be thousands of guns from citizens for months following Hurricane Katrina. The correspondingly small number of guns which were stored were only those turned in to NOPD—and few of those were of any great worth.

Quotes from officers in depositions to NRA/SAF investigators stated most of the quality guns were kept while the junk was tossed in the lakes and canals of New Orleans. A lot of the guns stored were junk which were turned in as red herrings to show the guns were not being stolen.

Those guns became the public focal point in the battle between the NRA/SAF and New Orleans.

But the permanent injunction is what the gun rights organizations wanted, and is the reason for the continued fight and resistance by the city. A permanent injunction doesn’t leave a lot of wiggle room the next time a traffic cop steals a handgun from a motorist.

With the permanent injunction now in place against the city, ANY violation of this injunction by any representative of the city can result in the city being immediately cited for violating the injunction, opening the way for serious penalties.

As Dan Holliday described it to me, the purpose was always to gain the permanent injunction. Thus it is recorded in federal court that the city may never again take any guns from any citizen without due process.

This allows a complaint to be brought directly and instantly to the court, and places New Orleans in contempt of a federal court order—a situation taken seriously by the courts and those in contempt. Such an action could result in jail time and fines for the mayor and superintendent if such actions occur again.

So the next time you’re stopped in New Orleans, if the cop takes your gun, and offers some song and dance about you don’t have a receipt so therefore you have no proof you own it, be sure and get his/her name. And keep the ticket as proof of the stop--and call the NRA and the SAF.

This time, we have a hammer.

84 comments:

Xavier said...

These are the best points I have heard yet about the entire proceedings..... And they make perfect sense.

Don said...

So, grossly, massively, violate the United States Constitution involving hundreds maybe thousands of individual citizens and you get a warning not to do it again, but violate a federal court order and you may get jail time and fines. Seems a little, I don't know...BACKWARD!

Oh, and I'll believe the jail time and fines when I see them. I can already hear the excuses: it was just one incident, he got his gun back, no harm no foul, we're sorry, we've made great strides in improving the situation, it was an anomaly, it won't happen again. OK...hold out your wrist...slap, slap.

Anonymous said...

Next time..give em to em bullets 1st

Otherwise you MIGHT never get the right back!

Anonymous said...

i am affraid what happened in new orleans could happen all over the US. they are hoping to pass the AAA ammunition accountabilit act already. don't know what we'd do without the NRA

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gcan anyone tell me why, washington wants amnesty when our unemployment is over 8%.
can anyone tell me why they continue to reward bad behavior like the DREAM act, AKA amnesty.
or citizenship of the soil? those who came here legally must feel foolish.

Anonymous said...

AMEN BROTHER...It is not our obligation to prove what we own is not stolen...this is the very basis of the Bill of Rights!

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Anonymous said...

Did you see the videos of the police & national guard holding automatic weapons in the read to shoot position fingers on the trigger, always several at one person. And how 3 or 4 of them jumped onto the very little old lady (it's hard to tell so many were trying to jump her)
and you seriously think it's a good idea to ask these wild and crazy adrenaline junkies for a receipt?
any sane person who hears they are confiscating weapons should throw them unloaded out the back window, after making sure the coast is clear, so when they bust the door down and ask if there are any weapons in the house, you can say, "no" I threw them in the back yard, they are not loaded, and hope they don't have a fit and shoot you anyway.
and if you are stupid enough to have a video camera going bolted to the wall, they will probably tear the wall confiscating that too.
My dad was a Judge, and he left me with one very important piece of wisdom, "never argue with a police officer" I'm sure he emphasized never.
If you get their badge or identification, do so without letting them, asking them, when their adrenaline is pumping full speed ahead is like arguing with a speeding locomotive heading the wrong way, but heading toward you.
get out of the way, later you can talk to the man in charge of the railroad.
But if you aren't on your face, get the badge number, and as much as you can remember, just don't let them know you are doing so. If you have a camera recording, don't let them know.
later if it seems practical (one never knows these days) a few years ago maybe. but these days, who knows, maybe in the morning, every door in the states will be knocked down?
But if still have rights to take to court, write down the info you remember asap, see a lawyer, preferably from a big organization.
In the meantime, don't go to sleep, we loose our rights because very few people are fighting for them. How does one fight? stay informed, vote, find a candidate who had a chance of winning, then volunteer to go door to door, waking up all the other voters.
It takes WORK, I know that's a four letter word. But it's better than being dead, and that's where you and your rights will be unless you fight=work for them. God bless, don't forget to pray. Unless the Lord build the house, they that labor, labor in vain. Unless the Lord keeps the city, the watchman wakes in vain.
A country founded on God, cannot stand without God.
That's the way it is, now and forever.

Anonymous said...

Did you see the videos of the police & national guard holding automatic weapons in the read to shoot position fingers on the trigger, always several at one person. And how 3 or 4 of them jumped onto the very little old lady (it's hard to tell so many were trying to jump her)
and you seriously think it's a good idea to ask these wild and crazy adrenaline junkies for a receipt?
make a mental note of their badge number secretively, never argue with a police officer, yes sir them to death, they live for that, then take them to court later

Anonymous said...

As a police officer and a gun rights activist, I could never follow an illegal order to take any property from anyone. People's 2nd and 4th amendment rights were violated during the approximate 5 month confiscation sweeps.

I just wanted to ask, wasn't the state/federal military involved in those sweeps as well? Where are they involved in the court hearings? Didn't the military also occupy vacant homes without permission?

Michael Chaney said...

I talk about this a lot, and I'm going to do so until I see a difference.

Please quit using their language.

Specifically:

"Before Hurricane Katrina, it was a well-known practice of NOPD to seize guns from citizens during traffic stops, telling them they could get their guns back when they showed up at the precinct with a receipt proving ownership."

The word "seize" is one word that they would use - the other is "confiscate". One definition of seize - and the one you're using here - is literally "to confiscate". "Confiscate" is defined as "To seize by or as if by authority". The point is that the word denotes taking something from someone under some legal authority. And there are statutes in various places that give police officers the authority to seize certain items.

In this case, there's no legal authority for them to take the guns. In the absence of legal authority, this action is "robbery" - which is to take something from someone by force.

The point is that the police have no seized any weapons. They have robbed plenty of people and stolen their firearms.

Call it what it is. When you say they "seize" the guns it makes it sound legitimate. It's not, and they know it's not.

Anonymous said...

People are not very smart are they. If and when this happens again the same thing will take place the sheeple will give up their rights and will be told they can take it up with the corrupt courts at a later date in the mean time the criminal so called authoritys will steamroll over our GOD given rights ounce again. People need to stand up and not give up 1 more inch from these scumbags. Our founding fathers must be rolling in their graves. These scum is taking our rights bit by bit and one day it will all be gone. History has proven that over and over again. People wake up, do you realize that all other rights are the same in all 50 states. The 1st,4th,9th etc. Have the same protection but the 2nd is not the same in all 50 states, why do you think that is? WAKE UP BEFORE ITS TO LATE SNOWFLAKE.

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